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Discussion: Elftown Rules


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Hello there, members of Elftown! We, the Council and Guards, have lately been discussing that perhaps the rules of our fair community may seem somewhat strict. Many of those rules were created when Elftown had thousands of active members - most of whom were on dialup speed connections. Times have changed and we feel that it is time for our rules to change as well. However, before releasing a new version of the Uploading Art Rules and What is an Asshole?, we're interested in the input of our members. After all, it's you guys who keep the site alive!


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What We're Interested In


We would like to hear what you guys think by discussing ideas below in the comment box. We welcome debate and questions on the rules, as long as valid points can be made and arguments can be resisted - this isn't the place to insult the Guards or call things unfair without telling us why you don't think something is fair. What types of rules should we focus on? Which rules are too strict?

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Some Notes


We don't plan on allowing copyrighted images. That's just not the intention of Elftown and to change that would violate fundamentals of Elftown.

We're also not going to allow chain messages, or sending pictures of your genitals to others. Those things are for Fake, not Elftown.

We fully plan on taking comments, ideas and critiques into consideration for the upcoming version of the rules, but please remember that we'll have to make the final say on what is and what is not listed in that upcoming version. We will, of course, try to be as fair as possible when we do so.

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2014-08-09 [Sunrose]: *glomps Veltzeh* ^^

2014-08-09 [Veltzeh]: Eep! Glomppage!

2014-08-10 [nehirwen]: Officially you can't display photomanips in your house either, which is ridiculous.

2014-08-10 [wicked fae mage]: It was answered. I meant: somebody has a naked drawing up but no banner, should I tell a guard they need a banner? Or was it more of a way to keep members from being harassed by people who are not fans of nudity but not necessary to have one, just an option?



2014-08-10 [Sunrose]: It was more to warn people who might take offense to nudity. When the warning is put up people would stop reporting it. You can report it if you think it should have a warning :)

2014-08-10 [Ravendust]: Officially you can't display photomanips in your house either, which is ridiculous.

yeah, at second glance I think this one maybe should have a bit of a change. Photomanip is an artform, and I've done a few myself. :) so maybe.... can post photomanips with a link to the stock that they used?

2014-08-10 [nehirwen]: Not under the current rules:
Images from other sites are not allowed even if they are "free". Note that:
- Taking an image and editing it does not make it your own. This includes, but is not limited to, photomanipulations.

But yeah, I strongly disagree with that one. :p

2014-08-10 [Stephen]: Current rules are way too strict. >_>

2014-08-12 [Ravendust]: For example?

2014-08-12 [Stephen]: For example, the photomanip rule.
Or the "no screenshots from games ever" rule.
Or the "four lines of copied text total" rule (even if we're not enforcing that at the moment..)
Or the "things we deem annoying may be deleted without warning" clause.
The exact definition of what is and what is not a "random" image.
Celeb images are currently not allowed, even if you were at a concert and actually took the picture (you have to be in it.)
Art that you copied/traced isn't allowed (which makes sense, to a degree), but that's how most artists actually start working up their skills.

Also, there's no rules at all on what you can post on your diary, or in a public/private forum. Also you're not supposed to display copyrighted work on public pages, and by definition a public page is something that can be accessed via direct link from your house - which means a lot of wikis violate that (even if we never enforce it).

So, they're strict and unclear. x)

2014-08-12 [Flisky]: Those rules are questionable. (At least some of them.) I like the four lines of copied text rule just because it's really annoying to have every other house be completely copied text. And copying images...is questionable. People tend to trace or copy images without giving proper credit as to where that image came from and we're supposed to be artists/writers and should be able to at least give credit to the original artist because we understand that art theft is wrong.

2014-08-12 [windowframe]: There is no obligation to read someone's house. It's their page. Who cares if you don't like the content, or if you find it annoying? I find some people's houses hella annoying, but I'm not lobbying for rules to ban them. Literally no other site I use bans shit because some people "find it annoying". It is absurd and elitist and just even... what? o.<

Most of the time it's really frickin' hard to tell when someone has traced or copied an image. It makes more sense to allow it and just ask people to reference it than it does keeping a rule that's so hard to enforce.

2014-08-12 [Flisky]: It's more of a "I wrote this poem" people that bother me. The people who claim things or don't give credit to the original artists. That's more what I'm getting at.

2014-08-12 [ally]: The four lines rule doesn't cover those cases. The copyright rule does. We're keeping that one.

2014-08-12 [Flisky]: The four line rule kind of cuts down on the whole copying lyrics and not putting the original artist.

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